Cosby speaks the truth, and the racist NAACP is "embarassed"? He's right. I mean, come on! Have you heard some young black people talk? Just try to 'ax' them a question and listen to how they talk- they WON'T make it in the real world by saying "you is," which I have heard a million times, almost always from young blacks in particular. There is a problem with black youth. The crime rate in this particular group is higher, there are more problems in general with this group, and many of them do talk like they've never been educated...these are facts. Facts aren't racist. Cosby is exactly right, and if people would fix these problems, instead of pretending they don't exist, these problems would probably go away!
Cosby's Comments Spark Controversy
Comedian Bill Cosby embarrassed the National Association For Advancement Of Colored People (NAACP) at a gala on Monday - by attacking lower class African-Americans. The legendary star was speaking in Washington DC to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Brown vs. Board of Education ruling - which eradicated segregated schooling in America - but shocked organizers by using the platform to unfavorably compare sixties civil rights activists with today's youth. He said, "These people marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around. The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids - $500 sneakers for what? I can't even talk the way these people talk, 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!" Cosby then added his thoughts that petty criminals who are shot dead should not be a source of sorrow. He explained, "These are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake and then we run out and we are outraged, saying, 'The cops shouldn't have shot him.' What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?"
"Have you heard some young black people talk?"
- Some white people speak the same way. People with an "upper class" backround and education rarely speak that way, regardless of their colour. It seems to be more of a class related issue than a race one.
"they WON'T make it in the real world by saying "you is," which I have heard a million times"
- If they have a good education, then they will make it, regardless of how they talk. Of course, if they had a good education they probably wouldn't talk like that in the first place.
"There is a problem with black youth"
- If there is a problem, and I'm not saying there is, it is with "poor youth". People of a lower financial class are more likely to speak that way than those of a higher class, regardless of colour.
"and if people would fix these problems, instead of pretending they don't exist, these problems would probably go away!"
- How is this a problem? Language evolves, so who's to say what the "right way" to speak is? Do you think there's a significant portion of the black population with MBA's who can't get work because they don't speak the way you'd like them too?
they dont speak the way ID like them to? hardly. its a matter of speaking in an intelligent manner and not sounding like your last grade completed was 3rd.
and, cosby is right...ive never heard a white kid talk the way some black kids talk. there are problems in the black community that are making it hard for kids to get ahead and make it...as ive seen many other blacks mention this on their site and they agree 100%.
Posted by: Josh Bozeman at May 24, 2004 10:15 PM[ive never heard a white kid talk the way some black kids talk.]
-I have
[as ive seen many other blacks mention this on their site and they agree 100%]
-Im curious. Which site?
As for what Lowdown said. It's true it's more of an issue with poor youth than it is black youth in general.
Cosby only spoke of black youth because he has always spoke for aftican american rights, and being at the place he was, he took the oppritunity to speak on african american youth. That doesn;t mean the problem is non existant with other youth with the same up-bringing.
Josh, could you please post that site? I'm curious.
Posted by: HOODLUMinc at May 26, 2004 06:40 AMJosh?
Posted by: HOODLUMinc at May 27, 2004 10:06 PMnot sure what you want me to answer.
Posted by: Josh Bozeman at May 31, 2004 09:41 PMGot a couple questions, Josh:
1. What's your race?
2. Why do you waste time with a message board? What, you like to argue or something? I mean the only people who post messages are people who disagree (and should) with you. I don't notice too many supportive messages. Maybe you should take the hint....
message boards? you mean comments, i take it.
im white. and?
i have what...maybe 3 or 4 people who come here and disagree? i have many people who have commented who agree. so, no "hint" to take, sorry.
so, i guess youre saying that bill cosby is an idiot then, right? wait, hes black, so what does it matter what "race" i am?
[not sure what you want me to answer.]
-Good god, I mentioned it above.
But here...I'll quote you AND ask you agan...
[as ive seen many other blacks mention this on their site and they agree 100%]
-COULD YOU PLEASE SHOW ME THIS SITE?? K THX BYE.
Posted by: HOODLUMinc at June 3, 2004 06:51 PM
Could you please answer Josh?
Posted by: HOODLUMinc at June 5, 2004 09:39 AMBill Cosby was absolutely, 100% correct. We have to stop blaming Whites for the deeply dysfunctional behavior of the Black underclass. We have huge problems facing that part of the Black community - drugs, crime, Black-on-Black violence, the huge numbers of Black men in the criminal justice system, AIDS and "down low" bisexuality, gangs, Black disdain for education as "acting White", "Ebonics" instead of standard English, fatherless families, rampant teen pregnancy and a 73% illegitimacy rate, lack of respect for the larger society, and a subculture that glorifies "thug life". But the worst problem is that we are still unwilling to face these problems head-on and at least admit that virtually all of them are self-inflicted. "We" have to fix "us". Thanks, Bill Cosby, and Amen! I appreciate you speaking truth to ignorance. We need to stop blaming Whites for our own self-inflicted problems, we need to get over this "cult of victimhood" mentality (nod to Professor John McWhorter), and we have to admit that the Black underclass bears almost all the responsibility for its current sorry condition. It's just that simple. One final point - I think we should nominate Bill Cosby to be the next president of the NAACP. I'm serious. Cosby just did more to help Black America in one 30 minute speech than Kwesei Mfume has done in the last five years.
I am doing a project on the NAACP and was wondering if you could give my any information on them and how they work for/against white people. if you can i was just wondering if you could incluide some "horror" stories and maybe a legal trial or two?!?! and also possably if it isnt to much to ask maybe some overall just general facts about the NAACP and how they started and who founded them and just things like that?!?! =):-D
Posted by: Linnell Hilton at June 29, 2004 10:32 AMThis is your quote:
"If there is a problem, and I'm not saying there is, it is with "poor youth". People of a lower financial class are more likely to speak that way than those of a higher class, regardless of colour."
--These items of "poor youth", "lower financial class" and "higher class" particularly need to be addressed.
The fact that the majority of the population in America, and perhaps the world, associate money with 'upper class', and most 'poor' children don't have money and feel that there are only limited ways available to them by which they can get it, coupled with the fact that if they receive all the education that is offered to them, substandard as it may be, there still are NO financial guarantees for them.
There are some people with money that are SOOOOO ill-suited for 'upper class' status that they may as well BE they very money that they possess. In essence, money without suitability is no more desirable than education without opportunity.
You have to play the odds.
Well-educated folks make more $ than dropouts, overall. Well-spoken people who habitually use standard language instead of code or slang do better, on average. Neatly-dressed job applicants, who are better representatives of a company's image, are more likely to get the job.
It isn't rocket science.
Posted by: True_Liberal at July 17, 2004 10:29 PMLinnell, better you focused on "what advancements have the NAACP made since the 70's"? Look up John H. McWhorter's LA Times article for starters.
If you find anything genuinely advancing their cause, I'd really like to know.
Posted by: True_Liberal at July 17, 2004 10:34 PM