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Josh, regardless of anything, this woman was a human being. *bangs head on desk* Why can't people have respect for HUMAN LIFE?!?! I'm gonna go jump out the freaking window.

Because she was obviously mis-lead into believeing Saddam was a good man. Thats why she deserves to die. Rehabilitation is not in Josh's vocabulary. If they have a different point of view than his, life is no longer an option...

I hear thats how they do it in communist China too...

Heh. Yeah.

gosh, im sorry i have no sympathy for supporters of brutal mass murderers. let me change my ways and send the dictators of the middle east christmas cards. im a racist, because i believe that you shouldnt attack cops, and im a communist because i dont care what happens to women who support terrorism. nice logic.

No, you're a communist because you believe death is the only way for people who don't share your point of view.

The woman was obviously mis-lead/brainwashed. Why else would she love such a man? Let me guess, she's "clearly insane"? She's "silly?"

I believe you shouldn't attack cops too. I also have a bit of compassion for the mother who lost her son, despite his faults, mothers will always love their children.

For such a hardcore christian, you really lack what (you say) makes them so great....compassion and forgiveness...

Heck, Im not even a practicing christian and atleast I'm reasonable enough to understand the woman was brainwashed. I feel bad for her. Being conditioned in such a way. I hope now things like that don't ever happen again with such a dictator in power...

Sorry if I don't share the same "kill em all" additude you do....

lol. you are such a complete joke, i nearly feel sorry for you. now im a communist? i simply said good riddance. have sympathy for "brain washed" supporter or terrorism and murder if you want, thats youre right...i dont. thats my right.

kill em all attitude? golly...i never said any such thing, but honesty doesnt mean much to you, as you always show.

where did i claim that im a "hardcore christian?" more dishonesty from the genius who disagrees with you and thus calls you racist, bigot, communist, etc. i think youre doing the same thing your accusing me of. shocking!

and dont lie about what you said about the cincinatti issue. you said i was a racist because i said the mother was an idiot FOR SAYING THAT THE COPS MADE HER SON ATTACK THEM. she wasnt being a loving mother...loving mothers teach their children respect for law and order...they dont blame the cops and claim that the police forced her son to punch and lunge at them. again, nice logic! let's hope you never have kids...they'll end up killing someone, and you'll blame the police for doing their jobs and then you'll say your son was forced into murdering. that's not love, that's lunacy. but, if i don't follow such lunacy, i'm a "racist," a "bigot," a "communist." and you're someone who has 13 blocked IP addresses on my site, because you can't talk like you have any sense.

[[lol. you are such a complete joke, i nearly feel sorry for you. now im a communist?]]

-Well, maybe not a commie, but you do have communist tendencies...

[[have sympathy for "brain washed" supporter or terrorism and murder if you want, thats youre right...i dont. thats my right.]]

-How can you be so sure she knew he was a murderer? That's how brain washing works. No matter how bad people are, if others are mis-lead into believing they are great people enough, eventually they start to feel that way. Like how you're brainwashed by O'rielly (cant wait for your response to that :p )

[[kill em all attitude? golly...i never said any such thing, but honesty doesnt mean much to you, as you always show.]]

-Sorry, Maybe I mis-understood "I say good riddance to the murdering dictator supporter. One less oxygen-breathing idiot, a bit more oxygen for the rest of us."

Personally, I believe this woman is a prime example of the kind of propaganda these people were faced with, and I have pity for her since she wasn't allowed to live her life any different....but that's just me...

[[and dont lie about what you said about the cincinatti issue.]]

-Lie? I'm not lying. Go have a look for yourself. I copied and pasted our entire conversation on that issue just in case you want to make a few "edits" to yours or my posts to suit your agenda. Now....go look and quote me where I said it was ok for the man to attack the police. I dare you. I double dare you! :p

[[you said i was a racist because i said the mother was an idiot FOR SAYING THAT THE COPS MADE HER SON ATTACK THEM.]]

-I honestly don't remember typing racist, and went over it many times...then all of a sudden, the word racist appeared in one of my posts. What I did call you though, was an un-compassionate bastard...

[[she wasnt being a loving mother...loving mothers teach their children respect for law and order...]]

-I'm sure she did.

[[they dont blame the cops and claim that the police forced her son to punch and lunge at them.]]

-Well, from past discussions on this matter, I showed you articles from the Ohio news sources showing how police were bias towards blacks in the city...so I see why she would feel such a way.

I’m not saying the man didn't deserve it. Coming from a neutral stand point, he is obviously at fault. But that's aside the point...

[[let's hope you never have kids...they'll end up killing someone, and you'll blame the police for doing their jobs and then you'll say your son was forced into murdering.]]

-Yeah, I REALLY hope you never have kids either... They might be messing around one day and get shot by police. I can see it now!

Josh: Good job officer. My son deserved to be gunned down for skateboarding in the mall again. Well done!

[[and you're someone who has 13 blocked IP addresses on my site, because you can't talk like you have any sense.]]

-Well, you see...I have high speed internet where you have to dial in. My IP address is different every time I log on to the internet. Blocking my IP will do no good considering the next time I log on, it will be a different number.

[[where did i claim that im a "hardcore christian?"]]

-Well, being the "clearly insane" person I am, I got that impression by the way you use the Bible to denounce homosexuals, the way you bash the ACLU for wanting to separate religion from state, the way you praise Christianity as opposed to Islam, etc etc....

you just cant get your facts straight no matter what you do, huh?

you claim you never called me a racist, but anyone can go to the entry, and see this- (your words):

"YOu shpuld be put int a small cell your racist beliefs you sick bastard..."

racist beliefs? i have racist beliefs but you never called me a racist? nice try...you lose. i have racist beliefs how? because i said its idiotic to blame the police for your sons actions? oh wait, i forgot- i edited your comments and added where you called me a racist (almost- i have better things to do with my time.)

you claim police are biased (and you have the proof)...the justice dept did an investigation due to pressure from racists like the NAACP and idiots like jesse jackson and his like. they found absolutely no evidence of any bias. murders in cincinatti is mostly committed by black males--- and it's black on black crime, but i'm sure you'll still claim some racist conspiracy in the city.

officer, thanks for gunning down my child for skateboarding again? how do you equate skateboarding with being high on PCP, crack and attacking police? and no one was gunned down...the man died from an enlarged heart, due to obesity and the stress from the arrest HE CAUSED. no one is dumb enough to buy into your nonsense trying to compare cops gunning down my imaginary son to a man dying from a heart issue he caused, from an attack on police he started.

the ACLU wants to separate religion from state? there's no such thing in the US constitution...no separation clause, and the forefathers (as i have shown on my site) wanted religion in public life...washington himself said the nation couldnt survive without it. so, no...i bash the ACLU for being extreme leftist socialists who try to subvert the will of the people all the time. and i praise christianity, because it was lead by a man of peace unlike islam, lead by a man whose last words were to go out and use force to convert the entire world to islam...if not, to destroy them. golly, how could i praise a peaceful man and oppose a violent man? how dare me!

i use the bible to denounce homosexuality? not only have i used the bible to denounce it...ive used nature and thousands of years of tradition...not to mention homosexuals own self description of their lifestyle as "alternative" which we all know, in its entirety, stands for "alternative" to normal. again...how dare me!

i use broadband as well. more facts you cant get straight.

and finally...you claim that this woman was brainwashed, and had no thoughts of her own. she lived in a cell where no true information was allowed into her brain, and that she's not really responsible for her support of a murderer, but that, in reality, she was forced to think that by hussein and his big bad mind control cronies.

i'll repeat what i said- you're a joke. keep talking, because you become a bigger joke each time you do so.

I can't help but laugh whenever I read any of your posts. I can just imagine. Your heart racing...beads of sweat rolling down your face...your profound opinions (because thats all they are. Opinions. You never support ANY of your arguments with any kind of proof like Lowdown and myself do)....

You have high blood pressure dont you?

i never support any of my arguments with proof of any kind? my heart racing? sweat rolling down my face? you can see me?

say it with me. j-o-k-e. it's funny, you call me all sorts of names, names that don't even get close to fitting me, and you don't even reply to anything i said. you claim you never said racist, yet we can all see you did...you just keep going on with some absurd comments like, 'no evidence, no evidence.'

it's funny. but it's also rather pathetic at the same time.

it's my opinion that a woman doesn't have her own brain and thoughts? wrong- that's fact. we all choose what to listen to, what to take into our minds, how serious to take certain things over other things.

loving mothers DON'T blame cops, and claim they forced their sons to beat them up- that's not opinion, that's fact. talk to some loving mothers, they'll let you know.

i'm clearly not a communist, because i don't sympathize with supporters of terrorism- that's not an opinion, that's a fact. you gave no evidence of my so-called communism, i gave you the fact that there is NO evidence of it, because it's untrue and ridiculous at that.

you went on about separation of church and state...which is found NOWHERE in the US Constitution. you claimed that because i believe in the Constitution and attack the ACLU's political driven "interpretation" (or more specifically, they're purposeful twisting of the words) makes me a hardcore christian...which, I'm sure you see as an insult, tho I don't.

you went on to claim police in that city are biased, racial pigs- who have their targets set on all black men and women, tho there's no evidence of that whatsoever...outside of racists self appointed "leaders" who claim racism to keep their business of problem profiteering going.

but, you're right...i bring no evidence.

i could spell it out for you again, if you'd like- god knows you'd spell it wrong, but i could always help you out on that end as well.

LMAO! How long did it take you to write that post? Shouldn't you be off somewhere fighting off the "Evil Islamics"?

[[i could spell it out for you again, if you'd like- god knows you'd spell it wrong,]]

Recently, you have been making A LOT more spelling errors than me, so don't go there joshey boy :p

[[you went on to claim police in that city are biased, racial pigs- who have their targets set on all black men and women,]]

Please josh. Before you call me a joke or any other pet phrases you have for me, please go quote me EXACTLY where I said that. I TRIPPLE DARE YA!

That’s right folks! Josh cant! And why? Because I never said that! HOODLUMinc=1, Josh=0

Shall I go on?

[[you went on about separation of church and state...which is found NOWHERE in the US Constitution.]]

But you see, in a multi-cultural society which the US government promotes and stands by, you cant FORCE people into one religion, so why should religion be in public schools, subway stations, etc etc and any other place where a multitude of different people of different ethnic backgrounds reside?

If you want your child to be taught the Christian faith, there are a multitude of Catholic, Protestant (etc etc) schools in the US where parents can send their children. Growing up, although not catholic, I had to go to a catholic elementary school because it was the only English one in my area.

It was the same price as public schools...and a better alternative, so what’s your problem?

It's not in the constitution. Big deal. The constitution was written when the US had no non-Christian immigrants. This is a sign of the times Josh. Get with it.

[[i'm clearly not a communist, because i don't sympathize with supporters of terrorism- that's not an opinion, that's a fact.]]

Communism has nothing to do with terrorism. I call you a communist because of your attitude towards those with different points of view. You believe the world is better off without them, and if they don’t conform to your beliefs, they are somehow a threat.

You don't believe in freedom of protest, freedom of speech (because whenever someone with a different point of view says anything you usually call them insane and they should keep quite, etc etc...deny it all you want)

All communist traits.

[[you don't even reply to anything i said.]]

I reply to EVERYTHING you say. Just look at how much I quote you and respond directly to it.
HOODLUMinc=2, Josh=0

That’s all folks!

lol. spelling mistakes? not quite.

i love your communism nonsense as well-
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"Communism has nothing to do with terrorism. I call you a communist because of your attitude towards those with different points of view. You believe the world is better off without them, and if they don’t conform to your beliefs, they are somehow a threat.

You don't believe in freedom of protest, freedom of speech (because whenever someone with a different point of view says anything you usually call them insane and they should keep quite, etc etc...deny it all you want)"
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when did i once say i dont believe in freedom of protest or freedom of speech? the word is quiet- and i never say someone should be quiet if they have a different point of view. if someone wants to claim that Bush is a liar, that the war was about oil, or any other nonsense- i welcome their right to express it...it's fun to laugh at such ignorance, so i surely wouldn't want anyone that feels that way to shut up. good try tho. now, golly, we see i have no communist tendencies at all.

a sign of the times? shocking you know nothing of american history. the constitution is not supposed to be a changing document. it's meant to stand the test of time...no one who wrote it thought it should be changed with the times to fit whatever public opinion was (tho, most americans want religion in public life.) no one ever said we should force religion on anyone, you're, once again, twisting things around to suit your agenda.

as for racism- you didn't use the exact words, but you've made it clear how you feel. a mother is only loving her son when she says the cops forced her son to beat them up...and that they cause her son's death...and you claim that the police in the city (in a city you don't even live in, in a NATION you don't even live in) are racist, and that you understood the reaction to the death of this man by racists who claim police brutality. so, one with a brain, could easily assume you think the police are racist pigs who are brutal to blacks in the city. i mean, heck, you call me a racist because i said that a mother who blames the cops is an idiot- to call someone a racist for that is just plain stupid. see a pattern here in your thinking?

i need to invite some friends from a cpl message boards and sites i frequent, so we can all laugh together at your nonsense. then, maybe you can spout of some crazy stuff about how this person is a commie, and that person is a racist, and since this person doesn't agree with you- he should be locked in a cell. and then you can claim that all of us worship bill "o'rielly" (or, to those of us who can spell his name- o'reilly). it'll be a laugh!

[[...and you claim that the police in the city (in a city you don't even live in, in a NATION you don't even live in)]]

Canada and the US are not very different.

[[i need to invite some friends from a cpl message boards and sites i frequent, so we can all laugh together at your nonsense.]]

By all means! God knows enough people I know read your site. It's about time you get some of your people.

I only hope they aren't as bad at debating as you are. A more mature form of debate would be a welcomed change without having your opponent resort to calling you a joke, insane and my personal favorite, "silly"....

You simply can't fit the bill.

As for the rest...we have been over it over and over, and quite frankly, im getting tired of debating the same thing over and over. Give me some fresh material!

"I only hope they aren't as bad at debating as you are. A more mature form of debate would be a welcomed change without having your opponent resort to calling you a joke, insane and my personal favorite, "silly"...."
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i remind everyone, this comes from someone who called me a racist, a bigot, a sick bastard, and a communist. then he claimed he never said racist, but i quoted him a number of times. then he claimed that a loving mother always blames the cops for her sons actions, and im a communist for saying shes a moron...have another laugh at the spectacle that is "hoodlum," it's my treat.

I want to remind "everyone" (even though its only me and josh who reads this anyway..) that Josh was the one who started the name calling and I just got tired of it, so the gloves came off...

lol. yeah, youre right. thats how it happened. wait. i thought you never called me a racist? you denied saying it for some time. now, you're admitting you're a liar?

that makes sense btw. you claim i called you a name, so because i dont agree with a mother who blames cops for her sons actions- im a bigot, racist, sick bastard? and im a communist because i disagree with someone else? how old are you again...ten? like i said before, this coming from a kid who calls himself hoodlum. maturity at its finest.

I didn't lie. I "mis-spoke" :p

And you want to be cheap and throw my alias at me? Thats a bad way at debating and only makes you look like a fool (even more so if that's possible...)

For the record, im 22, in my countries armed forces, in the process of running my own IT business, in a tech college and keeping a steady job, so don;t talk to me about maturity... and I can talk you politically into the ground son, so don't even mention my name as an issue.

yeah...you "misspoke," even after i posted your quote a number of times, and you still said you never said what you clearly said.

i love how some kid is calling me "son," and he makes up this nonsense about running his own IT business, which you can see is a lie from his own site. you name is a bit immature...hoodlum? i call you immature, and bring up your immature name, because you act like a child.

again...this coming from the fool who calls people communists and racists and sick bastard and bigots...then denies he called any of these names, even when he's quoted. but, you're right...i'm the one who looks a fool.

I think Lowdown can vouch for the fact that I am trying to run my own IT business. He is one of my associates.

Here...check us out if you don't believe me. http://www.cardinal-tech.com

I did the web design myself.

We do small business networks, web design, PC repair, etc etc...

This must some as a shocker huh? With that profound opinion on me and all?

It's ok. I suprise myself sometimes too...

And if you STILL don't believe me, have a look at my site:

http://www.hoodluminc.vze.com/

You will notice it's down, but the pic is linked directly off our cardinal-tech server until I get my other hosting:
http://www.cardinal-tech.com/gone/gone.jpg

Thats just a little proof that I own that domain and that company in case you want to call me a "liar" again.

Sucks being wrong doesn't it?

well, gosh...i run a company from my basement, so i guess i can say that i own my own corporation now.

and actually, if im not mistaken, i believe your name is kevin or something not jesse.

My name is neither. Jesse is just our customer relations/support person.

If you really want to know my name, I can MSN talk with you. I just don't want my name here on your web log.

Neither myself nor Lowdown are Jesse either.

There are many people in our business. Also, we are not a corporation...not yet anyway...

"and he makes up this nonsense about running his own IT business, which you can see is a lie from his own site"

- Look, I understand that maybe you're upset, but I really don't see the need to be so childish and insulting. I mean, would it be so hard for you to admit the guy has some mature qualities? Instead you automatically assume an individual, who you've never met, is lying because it doesn't fit whatever preconceived notion you have of the man. Well, you are in fact wrong. I can vouch for everything Hoodlum's said about himself. And you, and I don't mean to sound combative, but you really should apologize for the way you've conducted yourself. It would be, after all, the "mature" thing to do.

" so i guess i can say that i own my own corporation now"

- He didn't, in fact, say he was a corporation. What he said was that he was "in the process of running my own IT business". And he is.

i never said he said that...i said it myself. i DO run a corporation from my home.

apologize? yes, let me apologize to the person who, because i was critical of a woman who blamed cops for her sons illegal behavior, called me a sick racist bastard who should be locked in a cell with my beliefs...and called me a communist, because i disagreed with the opinion of others.

im sorry i have a hard time believing someone who shows that level of maturity could be in the process of running a drill press let alone a business.

[[im sorry i have a hard time believing someone who shows that level of maturity could be in the process of running a drill press let alone a business.]]

Said the pot to the kettle...

Whats your corporation called, and is it registered with the government?

"i never said he said that...i said it myself. i DO run a corporation from my home"

- So you were trying to say that you run an incorporated business? Why? What relevance does that have?

Let me try to get this straight.. Hoodlum says he is in the process of running an IT business, and your response is to basically call him a liar. He then offers evidence, so instead of apologizing for accusing him of lying, you say you're running a corporation. Wow.

"let me apologize to the person who, because i was critical of a woman who blamed cops for her sons illegal behavior, called me a sick racist bastard who should be locked in a cell with my beliefs...and called me a communist, because i disagreed with the opinion of others"

- Most of Hoodlum's "insults" were so over the top I find it hard to believe you took them that seriously. Besides, you've said far worse things in different discussions and neither of us ever resorted to declaring any of your biographical claims to be fabrications. But clearly your social etiquette is too underdeveloped to express regret, so do what you want.

"im sorry i have a hard time believing someone who shows that level of maturity could be in the process of running a drill press let alone a business"

- I never asked you to apologize for having your doubts. It's the fact that you positively asserted that Hoodlum was a liar, despite having an alarming lack of evidence that would support such a claim. That is something I personally would apologize for, but evidently you and I are two very different people.

lol. im guessing that "hoodlum" is the one who posts to a website that could be easily described as so far left, and so out of touch with reality, that half of the members of the forum are completely insane...either thats him or someone else linked to my site who uses the same phrases he uses, and claims to have discussed issues with me for some time now.

[[lol. im guessing that "hoodlum" is the one who posts to a website that could be easily described as so far left, and so out of touch with reality,]]

Like what? I try to be balanced with my rants on my web site. I have many posts where I denounce the protestors during the Iraqi war. I have many posts supporting our Soldiers. I have many posts criticising our Liberal government.

Those are all rather right winged opinions, so where exactly did you get I'm "so far left wing"? Or did you just write it because it sounded good?

As for the posters on my message board...no argument there. Most of them ARE insane....

i was refering to some alter-something (i forget the name) site that i saw in my stats. not your site.

I have never mentioned your site on any message board before.

Could you give me the link where someone is using my name?

i dont know what the site is...i forget the address- i saw it as a referral once and clicked it. and im not sure if they used a name or not.

Way to dodge the subject Josh.

If you're not sure if they used a name, how do you know the name was "hoodlum"?

it was someone who said they had been on my site discussing stuff for a while...and there are only a cpl of people who do comment at all...let alone on a regular basis. so, i have no clue who it is