The Blue Site

I said I would not engage you after your shameful display on my site, but curiosity led me here to discover the source of such anger, mendacity, and meanspiritedness. And then I saw this posting.

You obviously didn't read my site, certainly not carefully. I spoke sympathetically of Rush Limbaugh's recent problems. I "jumped for joy?" That, sir, is a lie. I have written at length on my respect for Christianity and many religions; in fact, I am a Christian. Many Christians believe the same things I believe. Many believe other things. Never have you seen me insult Christianity. Again, you are lying. Blinded by ideology? No, my beliefs are mine, and if you actually read the site, you would know that there are many issues on which I differ with the prevailing liberal orthodoxy (one example: I oppose pigmentation-based affirmative action).

As for any refutation you claim to have made, no, you didn't, certainly not with authority or credibility. And as you came into the site filled with rage and spite, throwing unfounded charges not based on what was actually written, no reasonable person would begin to take you the least bit seriously.

You find it shocking that a person like me exists? Wow. I would never say such a thing about any other human being. I wonder, sir, if you are Christian. If so, you should know that Jesus would not approve of such behavior. Love your enemies, he said.

It is a shame that you are filled with such apparent hate and bile. Otherwise, I imagine we could have fruitful discussions on issues of the day. Oh, well, c'est la guerre.

You have my love, sympathy, and prayers, Mr. Bozeman. I wish you peace.

good try. but, anyone can go to your site and see the truth for themselves. im really not sure what on earth youre talking about saying that you wouldnt engage me after my comment on your site, since i just found your site tonight.

as for the christianity nonsense. im not sure how someone who promotes gay righs so heavily can claim to be christian, considering from what i see, you live a lifestyle that is totally contrary to the basics of the bible. but, you can claim to be christian if you want. if that works for you, then all the better. you claimed that the general (forget his name) wasnt very bright and that what he said was inane, tho he said nothing that was contrary to christianity and the bible itself. such comments make little sense if you claim to be a christian yourself, because you are commanded by the bible to believe the things he spoke- simply tenants of the good book itself.

you claim i came into your site with rage and spite, but thats nonsense. i was simply searching google for the leavittown tribune site and stumbled across your attack on bill o'reilly. that post itself is hateful and full of spite, yet you claim that of me. rather odd.

as for my refutation- id say that i did a pretty good job. madison, washington, franklin, and jefferson all believed strongly in the judeo-christian philosophy, yet you claim that people are lying when they say that the US is founded on that philosophy. the very men who wrote the constitution were christians who believed in the bible, so to say that they didnt form the govt on the ideas they believed in is ludicrous!

as for the rush matter...i read a tiny snippet of the entry, and couldnt say for sure, but it was my guess that you were 'jumping for joy.'

i love it that you call me hateful and such, yet you post the propaganda pics that smear the president, calling him everything from a liar to a terrorist to a man who knowingly went to war on false pretenses, tricking the american people, and ultimately killing 100's of american soldiers in iraq. what do you call that? i call it hateful!

like i said, youre blinded by ideaology. when you post hateful stuff, its not really hateful, its enlightened thought. when i post that i cant believe that someone is so hateful and clearly refuses to look at any issues with an open mind, you say that im full of spite and hate and bile. again, equality for all- as long as they agree with your distorted view of the world!

"heavily can claim to be christian, considering from what i see, you live a lifestyle that is totally contrary to the basics of the bible."

- Josh, the Bible also condemns wearing polyester so I guess you probably can't claim to be Christian either... But then, you already knew that, didn't you?

well, that doesnt make too much sense...since the bible was written thousands of yrs ago, and polyester is a fairly new material. so, how the bible spoke of a nonexistant material, i dont know.

btw. im guessing youre referring to the mixing of fibers in material you wear. these are not sins...they are jewish laws that apply only to the jewish people of the old testament. it never applied to anyone outside of that group during that time period. same thing for trimming your beard or eating shell fish- other laws for the jewish people. its okay you dont know this. you dont seem to be very familiar with christianity itself, so why would you? no big deal.

"laws that apply only to the jewish people of the old testament"

- Where in the Bible does it say this?

- What about the passages that advocate slavery? You know, the ones right next to the homosexuality is an "abomination", the ones I already quoted for you? How come you get to decide which Bible laws are followed literally, and which ones aren't?

"you dont seem to be very familiar with christianity itself"

- Do you really believe this, Josh? I've quoted the Bible several times to support any argument I made that involved Christianity, so I'm trying to understand what I've said that would make you come to that conclusion.

LOL, I just noticed this:

"I just find it shocking that people like this actually exist, and that they actually have the brain capacity to think, let alone write long, drawn out pieces of garbage based entirely on fantasies they have created in their own minds. It's simply amazing."

- Now you know how I feel when I see this site...

it says in a number of places that some laws are for the gentiles only and some arent.

the bible does not advocate slavery.

no one person said to follow this and not follow that- its in the bible itself which laws/rules or for which peoples.

you clearly dont know much about christianity, since youre trying to claim that its a sin to wear polyester and that slavery is promoted. thats just plain ignorance of the religion.

"it says in a number of places that some laws are for the gentiles only and some arent"

- If that's the case, then why can't you give me just one quotation? If what you say is true, then why can't you provide any sort of evidence to validate your claim? Are these demands so unreasonable? Why do I have to beg you, repeatedly, to support your own argument?

- Josh, are you saying that the passages in the Bible, which imply that wearing polyester would be a sin, are irrelevant because "it says in the bible" that they only apply to Jews in "that time period"? If this is the case, then please give me one Bible quotation that explicitly declares this and I will concede that I was wrong about this point. If this condition cannot be met, act like a gentleman and apologize for wasting my time with your unfounded assertions.

"the bible does not advocate slavery"

- It's a little odd that you've seemingly forgotten the last debate we had concerning literal interpretations of the Bible. Especially since I already alluded to them in my previous post. In any event, at the time of said argument, I took the time to provide you with numerous quotations that clearly stated that the Bible advocated slavery. You did not, to my knowledge, refute them. I'll post them again if you really can't recall the discussion, but I'd appreciate if you would try and remember so I don't have to provide you with the same evidence TWICE.

"thats just plain ignorance of the religion."

- I'd rather be percieved as ignorant than behave as ill-mannered as you. That last paragraph didn't make your argument any more convincing, it didn't provide any insight into your reasoning, as far as I can tell, it's only purpose was degrade and demean someone simply because they interpret the Bible differently then you. I'm no longer interested in trying to persuade you that I am not "ignorant of the religion". Think whatever you want of me, but please keep it to yourself.

lol. ill mannered? look up the word ignorance. it simply means youre not familiar with it. if thats ill mannered, then youre a bit too sensitive my friend.

as for evidence. you make me laugh. what evidence did you provide of anything you said? im hardly going to post a study on jewish/biblical law here in the comments. anyone who is halfway familiar with the bible knows that some laws were in effect for the jews, some were in effect for other groups of people...and during certain time periods. i suggest you find a preacher or a priest who could better describe the intricacies of jewish law.

you keep suggesting everything i say is unfounded and backed by no evidence. that is just plain silly and of course, untrue.

as for polyester, which you keep going on and on about. it isnt in the bible, since it was only created recently, stop please, for the love of all that is holy, stop using it as an example.

as for slavery and the bible- thats also a complicated issue, but all thinking people know that the bible itself doesnt promote the act. thats absurd. if it did, it would totally contradict its core message. it doesnt.

http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/otlaws.htm

a christian who is much more familiar with jewish and biblical law than myself

"as for evidence. you make me laugh. what evidence did you provide of anything you said?"

- I provided evidence for every single one of my claims during a previous discussion. Have you forgotten, again? That stuff about slavery, polyester ect.. Like I said before, if you forgot the particulars of the evidence I provided earlier, let me know and I'll post them again.

" im hardly going to post a study on jewish/biblical law here in the comment"

- When did I ask for you to post a study on anything? As I recall, all I asked you for was "just one quotation". You're the one who claimed "some laws are for gentiles and some are not", if you can't prove that statement without a "study on biblical law" then you shouldn't have said it.

"suggest you find a preacher or a priest who could better describe the intricacies of jewish law."

- Is it really a priest's responsibility to back up your arguments for you? Can't you support your own beliefs?

"you keep suggesting everything i say is unfounded and backed by no evidence. that is just plain silly and of course, untrue."

- Maybe I'm developing some sort of eyesight problem then? I've looked through all your posts and can't come up with a single instance of you providing me with any evidence. As you can imagine, this worries me quite a bit. I really hope I I'm not going blind. Maybe you could post all this alleged "evidence" again and ease my anxiety?

"isnt in the bible, since it was only created recently"

- Yes, but two of the materials that are used in the making of polyester have been around since Biblical times. And, as I already said, according to the Bible, using those two materials for anything is considered a sin. Why? Well, nobody knows..

"as for slavery and the bible- thats also a complicated issue, but all thinking people know that the bible itself doesnt promote the act"

- I wouldn't go as far as to say it promotes slavery, but it could be percieved as condoning it. You obviously don't interpret it that way. That's fine. In fact, that's my point. People interpret the Bible different ways, so for anyone to say that homosexuality is absolutely a sin because they interepret the Bible as saying so is hypocritical unless they can explain why slavery is absolutley not a sin (and wearing polyester is).

- Thanks for the link. That was actually a very interesting article. Unfortunatley, I don't see how it explained why passages about homosexuality are to be taken literally, and passages about slavery aren't. It was too general and theoretical in nature to make any kind of convincing argument for you.

I came across this web-site looking for data to include in my new movie, in pre-production. I find it interesting that "track back" said "NR Davis" hates Christianity...etc.etc.etc. NR Davis's reply was, "I am a Christian."...to which Trasck Back replyd, "you can't be a Christian, you're a lesbian." My reply, really?...is this God, the founder of the bible? In other words, not for you to say, my friend. One Love, yeah?