Well...the second democratic debate was last night on Fox News, moderated by the always wonderful, Brit Hume. More nonsense from all parties involved. Still, none of them have any ideas of their own...they spent most of their time (at least most of what I could stomach of the debate) attacking President Bush. They're idea of how to get elected:
"The president sucks, elect me."
Great idea, guys..nice to have no solutions of your own! Braun was asked a question about terrorism and Saudi Arabia, and spent her entire allowed time stealing a question about strength that was asked of someone else...taking her time to talk about the president hasn't shown strength, but she will. Too bad she didn't even have time to say a word about Saudi Arabia or terrorism!
A very creepy thing- Al Sharpton must have seen the debate he missed, and stole Gephardt's "miserable failure" line and started using it himself. He has such original ideas, he can't even make up his own phrases to describe the current admin. Nice one, Albert! Remember, Sharpton is a race baiter, a crook, and a swindler. So, why even worry about what this idiot says in the end?
Okay, I lied...I'll worry about one more thing Sharpton said. He said President Bush is like a "gang leader."
See? The democrats have NO ideas. They spend their entire time attacking Bush and saying he's awful.
There was a ridiculous moment when they were all going down the line telling their favorite songs...and most of them used the opportunity to name a song and use it in a phrase about how they should get elected. Imagine, by John Lennon...as in imagine what we could do if I were president. Something to that effect. It was laughable.
Finally...all of them were asked if they would support the president's request for money in the rebuilding of Iraq. They all HAD to remember to throw in the fact that they supported the troops! Oh, golly, the president sucks, and he should outline every single detail before I vote yes for the money to build Iraq, but let me make myself clear- I love all the soldiers...each and every one of them, and I will surely vote yes to what THEY need, but maybe no to the president. Yeah, idiots...dems never get the military vote, you're not going to get it now, just by playing to that particular group of people with your nonsense about how you'll vote yes for the troops, but refuse to write a blank check to the president. I just loved how they ALL, every one of them, had to mention how they supported the troops.
Forget what the polls say. The polls out now have the president staying in office for the most part...but remember, the numbers will rise when they dems choose their man and people realize he still has no ideas of his own.
By the way, is Kucinich insane? Well, I think there are others that want universal health care too. He wants the government to run every aspect of health care. That's great. Let me tell you now...it would never in a million years work. Look at Canada...they're system is bankrupting the government! Not to mention, medical advances would go down the drain...breakthroughs happen, because the market dictates that better services have to be available as time goes by. A socialized healthcare system would totally screw that balance up, and you would see innovation take a nosedive in a second.
What is with Davis? He said once again that the recall is nothing but a way for the Republicans to steal an election. He always mentions Florida and Bill Clinton and impeachment. Funny. Again- for those with memory loss, Clinton lied to all of us. He lied to a grand jury. The man was disbarred! He was, by far, one of the most corrupt men to ever live at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. And, Florida? Gray Davis now thinks that the republicans stole an election, because of Gore's highly illegal recounts and the fact that according to the Constitution, we pick our president according to the electoral college. Poor guy will never again have a career in politics as long as he lives.
Last thing- Hi "babe."
Thank God Israel struck back. Until every member and supporter of Hamas and every other terrorist group is dead...the fight will not be over. I commend Israel for not giving into the nonsense from other countries. The Palestinian Authority said that Israel's strike is a criminal act. Golly guys...what about the two suicide bombers that killed Israelis yesterday? What about the constant murders of innocent CHILDREN by YOUR people? What, can I ask, do you geniuses expect Israel to do? You've made your bed. Now...lie in it.
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The RIAA sued a 12 year old girl. Just one child they have sued so far. Good going guys. Just wait till Congress puts an end to your lunacy. Shouldn't be too long.
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To all of you slow Howard Dean supporters (yes, if you support Dean, you're SLOW)...if you weren't aware- he basically said that we shouldn't take Israel's side...but instead but totally even-handed with (the democratic nation of) Israel and the Palestinians (led by a known terrorist.) Lieberman, who did little but attack Bush as well, did call Dean out on his contradictions. Lieberman tho, DID, claim that Bush has broke alliances with all our allies. Too bad that's a lie. Clearly our supposed allies betrayed US.
Posted by Josh at September 10, 2003 05:00 AM | TrackBack"Look at Canada...they're system is bankrupting the government!"
Actually not at all. Our government spent the last 10 years or so trying to get our deficit under control, and last year’s national budget, it was finally done.
It's true our health care and military suffered some (well, more than some but not to the point where it didn't work) but last budget pumped tens of billions of dollars into health care to bring it back up to top notch shape, and our military even got a boost as well.
We also enjoyed many billions in surplus as well.
Last I heard, the US deficit was somewhere in the range of 500 billion or so right? Watch what starts to suffer when your government tries to get it under control...
As it stands now, Canada is doing just fine in terms of health care, people no longer have to wait out in the halls to receive treatment, our hospitals have got all the most modern equipment known to man, our doctors are not leaving for the USA now because there is actually money from the government to pay them, and our medicine prices went down drastically (even to the point where US citizens are coming up here for their medication instead of buying it in the USA)
The system works, if it has the proper funding. It's not bankrupting the government. How could it be when we have our deficit under control and still have a surplus? You don't know what you're talking about and probably repeating something you heard somewhere either when the health care system was in bad shape or someone didn't know what they were talking about.
I can go in for surgery without any insurance and not pay for it for the rest of my life. I can get shot and not have to lie outside the hospital and die in the street because my insurance is not paid up.
Our system works just fine now.
"Not to mention, medical advances would go down the drain...breakthroughs happen, because the market dictates that better services have to be available as time goes by. A socialized healthcare system would totally screw that balance up, and you would see innovation take a nosedive in a second."
In a null society maybe, but most medical research agencies in Canada are private funded. There is very much will for inovation in medical research programs. Many breakthroughs came from Canada.
Don't expect it to be as many as the USA, not because of your system, but because you have 10 times more the population we do, so the people in the field and number of agencies would constitute more breakthroughs.
"Clearly our supposed allies betrayed US."
-How? By listening to the majority of their people? The majority of the people in every country that refused to back the US in their invasion of Iraq did not support the war. Even some governments in the "coalition of the willing" had the majority of their people against the war. You must have a lot of contempt for democracy to be so bitter about a government doing what's it's population wants.
Posted by: lowdown at September 10, 2003 09:57 PMlowdown and hoodlum. both american hating i dunno what's. im shocked that we didnt get any anti-american stuff from hoodlum in these comments. youre right...because some europeans didnt agree with the war on terror, its okay for supposed allies to stab us in the back. its not that they didnt help us out, its that they went out of their way to hinder out actions in the UN. in the end, france basically said that they would veto any resolutuon we put on the table. we have helped all of these countries out and theyre supposed to be friends of the U.S. but when you go against us any chance you get JUST to go against us...well. we dont need france, we dont need germany, we dont need russia, so when things are all said and done- its not a big deal.
btw. whats your obsession with claiming i hate democracy? its funny.
Posted by: Joshua Taj Bozeman at September 11, 2003 05:38 AMI'm not anti-American. THe difference between me, you and an anti-American (in the sence you're obviously thinking) is I know what I'm talking about. I do my research, and am normally ready to provide my thesis with many URL's backing up what I find. You, you try to pass your personal opinions off as facts (like all hard core conservatives I know), you rarely provide any proof for any of your arguments, and the majority of it is here-say.
And the anti-American...someone who disagrees with the US on every issue no matter what.
I do not disagree with the US on every issue. Perhaps you can name me a few off the top of your head?
Most debates we had were about Israel, religion and terrorism and FOX News. Only a couple of times has the US came up...so I don't understand where you get off calling myself or Lowdown anti-American.
Don't try and pass us off as that just to prove your futile points my friend. It doesn't work that way ;)
Posted by: HOODLUMinc at September 11, 2003 07:50 AM"youre right...because some europeans didnt agree with the war on terror,"
Like who? Germany, France, Russia etc etc? They fully support the war on terror, and even have many thousands of troops currently in Afghanistan. Canada recently sent 2000 troops to Afghanistan and took control of the ISAF forces there. Not bad huh? Taking all that pressure off of the USA so they can deal with Iraq...bad, bad allies right?
"france basically said that they would veto any resolutuon we put on the table."
And did it democratically. Since when were you so opposed to democracy?
"said that they would veto any resolutuon we put on the table. we have helped all of these countries out and theyre supposed to be friends of the U.S. but when you go against us any chance you get JUST to go against us..."
Oh yeah, the "ALMIGHTY VICTORY BY THE USA IN WW2"....noone else had any troops to help out France...just the US. And now that the US "saved" them (even though Canada liberated nearly half of the French cities and towns), France must forever do the bidding of the USA right? Get off your high horse....
And no, they don't go against the US "JUST to go against you"....it's a little deeper than that. This isn't the grade 3 school yard.
And name me a few other resolutions the US tried to pass that France, Germany and Russia blocked "JUST to go against you"
Come on. Thats my challenge to you, just to make sure you're not talking out of your ass (again)
"well. we dont need france, we dont need germany, we dont need russia, so when things are all said and done- its not a big deal."
Hmmm...lets look at this interesting situation for a sec here. Josh, who has no say in world politics, never served in any official poisition of authority, has zero national leadership knowledge says the US doesn't need them...
Now lets look at the US administration, with their teams of advisors, trained and skilled in world politics, etc etc, who say the USA "CAN'T" do it alone without the UN now. It's too much of a strain on the troops, and they even admited the re-construction of Iraq is going harder than they had thought it would.
Don't take this the wrong way Josh, but you will understand why I believe the US administration and not you.
"btw. whats your obsession with claiming i hate democracy? its funny."
Well, when you tear apart any country (but the USA) for using their democratic right to do things, it kind of makes me feel you are not too keen on Democracy....especially when you assume they should all follow you (the USA) no matter what, like some form of dictatorship....
"lowdown and hoodlum. both american hating i dunno what's"
- I could write a lengthy rebuttal to that claim, but I won't. It would be silly to regard such an contemptible and ridiculous assertion with any serious consideration in the absence of any kind of meaningful evidence. I'm a man Josh, if I hated Americans, I wouldn't be shy about it.
"youre right...because some europeans didnt agree with the war on terror, its okay for supposed allies to stab us in the back."
- No Josh. The MAJORITY of the people of Europe didn't agree with the war "on terror". That's an important distinction in the context of democratic idealogy. If the majority of Americans didn't want to invade Isreal, would you say the government should go ahead anyway? Is that your idea of democracy?
"not that they didnt help us out, its that they went out of their way to hinder out actions in the UN. in the end, france basically said that they would veto any resolutuon we put on the table."
- There's is definately a problem with veto pwer in the UN. But that's a seperate issue. The US has used their veto power to stop the UN from acting and possibly preventing 1 million deaths in Rwanda. Elementary morality dictates that we apply standards universally. If the U.S. can use their veto power to paralyse the UN, why can't France?
- Incidentally, the US has used more vetos, since 1990, then any other country in the world. And almost all were to prevent the UN from criticizing Isreal's violent atrocities.
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/5362552.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/veto/2002/1223israel.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/veto/2001/0328us.htm
"we have helped all of these countries out"
- So they should follow you into war even if the MAJORITY of their people are against it?
"btw. whats your obsession with claiming i hate democracy? its funny."
- As I recall, that's the first time I've made any kind of reference to your feelings on democracy. That's hardly what I would call an obsession. It is troubling that you find that "funny". It's a serious accusation that I would go to great lengths to prove otherwise if I were you. But then I know how you feel about "proving things".